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    What target can Pakistan realistically chase down batting last in the third Test vs New Zealand?

    Kiwis lead by 28 and 6 wickets left. Pakistan have flopped in low run chases vs kiwis snd SL batting last in UAE in recent times. 2 walking wickets at top of the order and a tail that starts at 7.

    I think a 120 lead for kiwis and pakistan would be tested, espcially after how we folded against aversge spin in 1st test and in 2nd half off 1st inns here.

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    Anything more than 75, they're going to struggle

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    Anything in the region of 150 will be a titanic struggle for them, but I believe they have the resolve this time - they will chase it down.


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    Chasing 150 is safe now that Azhar is back in the runs.

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    <175- Pak win
    175-225- Anyone's game
    225<- NZ win

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    Pakistan will easily chase 200 here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    <175- Pak win
    175-225- Anyone's game
    225<- NZ win
    I second your estimate.

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    We aren't chasing anything, this match is already over and done and even the kiwis know that (this isn't wrist slitting, it just shows on the face of the players of our team). This has to be one of the most frustrating series as we should have won this 3-0 from the positions that we were in but here we are staring at the face of another cricketing tragedy

    1. Sarfaraz under Misbah was a weapon, Sarfaraz under his own captaincy is a massive liability. His lack of composure shows, and that kinda makes the whole team nervous. The first test was lost to sheer panic and this chase has the same elements, you can tell already that the team isn't confident of chasing anything.

    2. Mickey is still clueless about the best spinners in Pakistan. Or the openers, and playing with Imam and Hafeez has to be considered as one of the blunders of his tenure.

    3. Left-arm spinners succeed in UAE. Why not have them?

    4. The batting order is all wrong. Azhar should never be number 3 in this team. Babar not six. There's literally no one under Babar who can play a long innings and that shows in his game as well.

    5. We need six-hitters in UAE. Neither shafiq, nor Azhar are that. Misbah and Younus almost always seemed to have that big shot that would keep the bowlers guessing. These players just don't have big shots and that's why despite batting for so many overs, we hardly ever out bat teams now. The only one who can do it and has done it is Hafeez but he can't even survive the first spell of pace bowlers. It used to be tuk, tuk, tuk, boom but now it's just tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Anything in the region of 150 will be a titanic struggle for them, but I believe they have the resolve this time - they will chase it down.
    You have more confidence than most of us. Pakistan have had their 2 centuries for this match that's about the best they could expect from their batting. We'll be lucky to get 2 scores of 35 in the 2nd innings.

    I would say anything about 80 would be a struggle and anything above 120 is game over.

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    Pakistan could have sealed this match yesterday by batting NZL out of it, as it stands this getting tricky for Pakistan.. the way they lost the first test you never know.. anything over 150 and I would say NZL have a chance.

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    Anything over 150 and we’ve auto lost,
    Between 75-140. On the lower end it’s pak fave on the higher side it’s Nz fave.
    Anything below 75’pakisyan win.

    I see NZ posting a lead of 220 plus and declare and the pacers remove the openers early.

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    Nz is all set to post lead of 250+. We will be struggling to save this match. First test loss really killed us

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    Kane Williamson at his best.

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    110.


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    Any thing above 150 will be difficult for us to chase.

    Twice in this series, we failed to bat New Zealand out of the same.

    How much does Sarfraz average on dead UAE tracks in this series.

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    170 + will be game over for pakistan

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    Looks like a 200+ chase coming up. Will be interesting.

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    Game over. New Zealand will look to launch. Pakistan will chase 250 plus minimum. It’s just down to Kane how much he wants to beat the life out of them.

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    200 is the absolute upper limit and even then I'd be sweating.

    This is what happens when you don't make your 1st innings count - just a fifty from one of our walking wicket openers would have made such a difference.

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    Game over already. Best to hope for is a draw now.

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    What the point of playing now, pure torture ..

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    Pakistan will not chase anything. It's either draw or win for NZ.

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    About 150-200.

    Anything above is a draw. Will be a victory to not get out.

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    Draw

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    It’s not gonna be a draw unless NZ bat till very late.

    For some reason we’re terrible at playing out the final day for a draw.

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    This is not even a conversation we should be having anyway. Grow a pair and chase whatever they set with a Test series on the line.

    Anything around 250 and a top team would back themselves, but our gutless bunch are shivering now at the prospect of chasing 150.

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    Losing this one

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    Its over.

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    Looks like the pitch is completely dead so if the openers can see out the new ball, 250 can be chased. Don't think NZ are going to declare anytime soon, however.

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    All depends now how many overs NZ leave themselves to take 10 pakistan wickets.

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    Pakistan can find a way. Any way. Any which way!!


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    Sarfrazs poor captaincy been shown up once again.

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    By the looks of it NZ will probably declare as they can't bowl out Williamson or Nicholls at the moment.

    Declaration with a target of 300 is a possibility unless Pakistan runs through them miraculously and bowls them out for 250.

    As for chasing either 250 or 300, it is anyone's guess how they are like when it comes to chasing ANYTHING.

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    Poor stuff from Sarfraz. Negative bowling will not help team's cause.

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    Don't trust us chasing anymore than 100, we're donezo

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    I think the game is gone now. The total is going to be too high for us now. We’ve messed up way too many 4th innings chases in the last 2-3 years for me to believe that we have a chance at even drawing this.

    I just hope NZ will declare pretty late in the day so we’re not at risk of collapsing.

    Asad Shafiq and Azhar have already scored hundreds in this match so I don’t expect them to score tomorrow.

    Does anybody have any stats of our batting performances on day 5 from the last 2-3 years?

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    pakistan should go for draw , that is best they can hope for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Sarfrazs poor captaincy been shown up once again.
    OK. What should he have done then explain? In hindsight everyone can become expert by saying Could have and should have. Where were all the experts when he made changes in bowling and it worked in previous games...

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    Pakistan must rejig the batting order and allow Hafeez to come a bit later...if he starts well, he could even help us chase the total down because I expect him to try for one last hurrah since it is his last innings (P.S. I don't have high hopes from him but someone playing their last innings could end up playing without any pressure at all and do wonders)!

    If this means opening with Azhar, so be it and tell Imam to avoid anything away from his body and none of the batsmen should be allowed to try and hook/pull.

    This should be the order: But, this is if we want to try and WIN
    Azhar
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    Sarfraz (if first wicket lasts a bit, he goes before Babar)
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    Tail, I would even have Afridi come in early because he can hit a few long ones
    Rest
    Last edited by Monsee; 6th December 2018 at 17:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    OK. What should he have done then explain? In hindsight everyone can become expert by saying Could have and should have. Where were all the experts when he made changes in bowling and it worked in previous games...
    Should have tried Haris and the new ball. Pretty simple really.

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    Am I the only one that thinks we struggle with 120-180 run chases but I feel more confident with anything over 250. But the issue here is time, and time isn't on Pakistan's side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsee View Post
    Pakistan must rejig the batting order and allow Hafeez to come a bit later...if he starts well, he could even help us chase the total down because I expect him to try for one last hurrah since it is his last innings (P.S. I don't have high hopes from him but someone playing their last innings could end up playing without any pressure at all and do wonders)!

    If this means opening with Azhar, so be it and tell Imam to avoid anything away from his body and none of the batsmen should be allowed to try and hook/pull.

    This should be the order: But, this is if we want to try and WIN
    Azhar
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    Sarfraz (if first wicket lasts a bit, he goes before Babar)
    Hafeez
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    Tail, I would even have Afridi come in early because he can hit a few long ones
    Rest
    Agree. Bilal Asif or Hasan Ali can be sent in to hit some sixes


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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    OK. What should he have done then explain? In hindsight everyone can become expert by saying Could have and should have. Where were all the experts when he made changes in bowling and it worked in previous games...
    For a start when NZ got a lead the guy just gave up the ghost, bricking it just because he had to bat again, imagine what the team mates thinking of such a coward captain..bowling changes all over the place not taking new ball. The only good thing was he stopped shouting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    OK. What should he have done then explain? In hindsight everyone can become expert by saying Could have and should have. Where were all the experts when he made changes in bowling and it worked in previous games...
    It is over criticism, he did nothing wrong. Dismissal of Babar Azam HAFEEZ and Imam were not his faults.

    He did not take the new ball because Hasan Ali is not fully fit. And runs could have come easily. Instead of 198, kiwiz would have been 230 ahead if New ball was taken and they could have declared within 1st hour.

    Now due to their slow batting in last session, kane wont declare till target is 275+ and that will eat out 16-17 overs + 2 overs change-over.

    Instead of batting 80 overs, Pak will be batting only 70 overs. A drawn series is not a bad result. Pakistan also drew in New zealand in 2009 and won there in 2011. Its not national embarrassment.
    Recently England drew 1-1 with pakistan at home.
    Drawn series are part of game and shall be accepted. One can not win all the time.

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    NZ is at 200/4. If this pair adds another 30-40 runs, it doesn't matter how many gets scored after that. It will very hard to chase 250+.

    Still Pakistan should give it go if it's around 250. Pakistan may find it harder to simply play defensively. NZ fielders will be all over them. Playing positively may help to keep field bit more spread and allow Pakistan to draw.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GLORY OF '92 View Post
    Should have tried Haris and the new ball. Pretty simple really.
    Yes pretty simple , new ball could have get smacked and Kane and Nicholls are proper batsmen he must have tried to keep damage to be minimum... there is always other side of the story its good to know that sometime..

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    Lol this is the same halwa batting lineup that was 207/4 after Day 1, 1st innings of the second test and some people here think they can chase 250 on a fifth day wicket under pressure.

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    I think this game will be a draw. No team at this moment would like to risk up any chance. NZ will look to play 20 overs in first session, score whatever they can without much of risk and then declare. If NZ get all out after adding 50 runs more, they won't mind either.

    Pak aren't chasing 250+ in 70 overs.

    Draw: - 50
    NZ: - 35
    Pak: - 15

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    NZ will take the draw i think.

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    This test match is already over. It was over even before NZ came to bat. On point, anything above 100 is a loss for Pakistan and New Zealand have already surpassed that mark. The only question is whether we can draw out this match which is highly unlikely. Shafiq’s 100 was an indication that we weren’t going to win this match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnowbasher View Post
    Looks like a 200+ chase coming up. Will be interesting.
    It is Pakistan loosing or a draw...Win is out of question

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    Sarfraz did ok...you cant win everytime...it was a right strategy to go for a draw

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    Both azahr and Shafiq have scored the ton and therefore fulfilled their quota of a good performance for next ten matches. Hence expecting them to perform again is wishful thinking.

    I would consider it a miracle if manage to draw the test.

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    Though I'd predict it to be a struggle, probably anything 250-260 at best Pakistan might be able to chase. Anything beyond that target is out of reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    NZ will take the draw i think.
    What are you talking about. Kane knows sarfaraz started ******** it so easily and so early.
    They can get Pak out twice in 75 overs. That is such a long time to bat for Pak on a 5th day pitch


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    Some clowns started focussing on the SA series.
    I knew we would ultimately have to pay for that first game.


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    @Hasan123 ub batao. We have been here before right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    You have more confidence than most of us. Pakistan have had their 2 centuries for this match that's about the best they could expect from their batting. We'll be lucky to get 2 scores of 35 in the 2nd innings.

    I would say anything about 80 would be a struggle and anything above 120 is game over.
    Looks like I won't be far off. I knew that that no 2 batsmen would score 35, heck it looks like not even 1 will at this rate. We don't even have a Misbah like player who can just simply hold up one end anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamPak95 View Post
    Though I'd predict it to be a struggle, probably anything 250-260 at best Pakistan might be able to chase. Anything beyond that target is out of reach.
    I guess you haven't been watching cricket involving Pakistan over the years. There is no way Pakistan could chase 250 on a flat track let alone one like this in UAE.

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    Even 120 would have been lost here


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    Azhar Shafiq can’t be misbah Younis
    They were hiding behind these 2 and scoring
    Harris is poor


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    @Hasan123 ub batao. We have been here before right?
    Didn't expect that approach from NZ but didn't expect us to bat the day out if we were put in with enough overs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    I guess you haven't been watching cricket involving Pakistan over the years. There is no way Pakistan could chase 250 on a flat track let alone one like this in UAE.
    I'm well aware of Pakistan's jitters when chasing in the 4th innings in the UAE (Rangana Herath definitely has a say in that). I simply made a prediction, that's all.

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    For future matches, 150-160 and we have a chance. Anything above that and we are getting into dangerous territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    You have more confidence than most of us. Pakistan have had their 2 centuries for this match that's about the best they could expect from their batting. We'll be lucky to get 2 scores of 35 in the 2nd innings.

    I would say anything about 80 would be a struggle and anything above 120 is game over.
    Turns out that it didn't matter if I was right, they were never going to get 280 and the fortress that once was the UAE has now been shattered.


    Politics trumps intelligence (pun intended).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Both azahr and Shafiq have scored the ton and therefore fulfilled their quota of a good performance for next ten matches. Hence expecting them to perform again is wishful thinking.

    I would consider it a miracle if manage to draw the test.
    Spot on.


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