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    Nasser Hussain "Why pick Shoaib Malik?"

    Nasser Hussain on tv really tearing into the Pakistan think-tank on why they have picked Shoaib Malik for the 5th ODI ahead of a younger player.

    Hussain stating that Pakistan needs to look ahead and not back and picking Malik with his record in England is a bad choice.



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    Mickey Arthur desperate not to lose 5-0

    Think other fancy considerations have gone out of the window


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    Shocking, Malik's highest score is 28 in 18 innings in England.

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    Loool the fact he is so suprised is hilarious. This is Pakistan you think they won't back seniors to the hill? No other top nation in the world would recall a 34 year old who is so poor against pace

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    Nasser is spot on. Absolutely sickening. It Malik is selected for the next series, i will refuse to watch.

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    It's his farewell game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Mickey Arthur desperate not to lose 5-0

    Think other fancy considerations have gone out of the window
    How does picking Malik boost the chances of winning ?


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    Looking purely at the squad, Malik is a better option right now then Sami


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Mickey Arthur desperate not to lose 5-0

    Think other fancy considerations have gone out of the window
    I think, Miki wants him to be dropped for good. Dropping for 2 dead rubbers actually gives an opportunity for future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    Looking purely at the squad, Malik is a better option right now then Sami
    And plus he can bowl.

    6 bowling options, that was probably more the thinking.

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    Form is temporary, class is permanent.

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    Could ask the same question for Gul aswell lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    Looking purely at the squad, Malik is a better option right now then Sami
    Yeah pretty much this

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    Time for Malik to go out for good then. Imad and Nawaz are here either way who have already done better than Malik ever has here in England

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Form is temporary, class is permanent.
    Rubbing salt on wounds.
    Don't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    Looking purely at the squad, Malik is a better option right now then Sami
    better then sami but only sami!

    hopefully he comes earlier at no.4 to avoid the scoreboard pressure due to early wickets that has been acting on him throughout the series except the first ODI.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Mickey Arthur desperate not to lose 5-0

    Think other fancy considerations have gone out of the window
    Quite the reverse, I would argue.

    Mickey Arthur was furnished with the same veteran and underperforming ODI squad which got you to Number 9 in the first place.

    It's ideal for him that Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Hafeez, Umar Gul and Mohammad Irfan have effectively ended their own careers by performing so appallingly.

    Mickey Arthur will now get the support of Inzamam and the selectors in building an ODI team around Umar Akmal, Babar Azam, Sarfraz Ahmed, Mohammad Amir, Imad Wasim, Hasan Ali and Mohammad Nawaz.

    Until the last fortnight the core of the team was the veterans. Now the core is the 7 younger players that I just listed.

    Mickey Arthur is lucky that the 5-0 humiliation gives him a mandate to get rid of the geriatrics lock, stock and barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Quite the reverse, I would argue.

    Mickey Arthur was furnished with the same veteran and underperforming ODI squad which got you to Number 9 in the first place.

    It's ideal for him that Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Hafeez, Umar Gul and Mohammad Irfan have effectively ended their own careers by performing so appallingly.

    Mickey Arthur will now get the support of Inzamam and the selectors in building an ODI team around Umar Akmal, Babar Azam, Sarfraz Ahmed, Mohammad Amir, Imad Wasim, Hasan Ali and Mohammad Nawaz.

    Until the last fortnight the core of the team was the veterans. Now the core is the 7 younger players that I just listed.

    Mickey Arthur is lucky that the 5-0 humiliation gives him a mandate to get rid of the geriatrics lock, stock and barrel.
    I hope you are right bhai. A core of them 7 players is something to build on for Mickey bhai

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    this is the best 11, which should have been played from 1st ODI... but hafeez was thr, but without hafeez, looking at the squad i will take this 11.. finally the combos are there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Form is temporary, class is permanent.
    does not apply to Pak bro, especially as there was no class to speak of in the first place

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    shobby is a tough bloke in LOIs... he might get a good game today...

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    As I said a month ago: this is a poor squad and Malik is one of the better ones in it. If we had selected Umar/Maqsood etc. Mickey would never have put Malik at 6.


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    It's probably his last chance today. That is why he has probably bowled a lot more today too


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    There were not any other option.

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    Like junaid said Its probably another chance for malik to further add a couple of nails into his career coffin RIP

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    Think it's pretty obvious. Mickey wants to have his best batsman up the order, and Azhar opening. Playing Sami and Azhar together isn't working.

    If Sami is dropped, Malik has to play because there's no one else. After the end of the series, Malik will probably be dropped, or if there are enough middle order batsmen in the squad that Malik doesn't need to play, think Mickey won't play him.

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    His farewell tour. We have to be kind to our seniors.

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    Yea Nasser , Talk Nah!

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    Form is temporary, class is permanent!

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    you have to trust mickey when he says any older player has to be on his toes, and you have to trust the PCB to back him up on that.


    to be fair to malik he has been good overall since his latest comeback.

    I think the biggestissue in our batting is people dont know their role. Order is always changing.

    Mickey needs to adress this, and his is famous for making good structures. He needs to find the players then try to mimic the stability we have in tests


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    Yea Nasser talk nah..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    you have to trust mickey when he says any older player has to be on his toes, and you have to trust the PCB to back him up on that.


    to be fair to malik he has been good overall since his latest comeback.

    I think the biggestissue in our batting is people dont know their role. Order is always changing.

    Mickey needs to adress this, and his is famous for making good structures. He needs to find the players then try to mimic the stability we have in tests
    He has been the most consistent since 2015. But people just hate him.


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    He was just out of form, some people here just hate blindly and bring up stats from 2004
    Last edited by Muhammad10; 4th September 2016 at 23:04.


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    Doesn't get any brownie points for bashing a debutant spinner, in a dead rubber, after failing in the first four ODIs. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Form is temporary, class is permanent!
    In Malik's case - form is permanent, class is temporary (i.e. when debutant spinners are on for him to bash and when opposition has weakened bowling attack).

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    I am happy for him, but this team needs consistency from its senior players. He lives to fight another tour

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    Scoring runs in a dead rubber sums up Malik for you. pointless runs but knowing the selectors it will be enough for to cement his place

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    If PCB selects him for the next tour it will be a pathetic decision. No point in picking players who only score when there is no pressure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Mickey Arthur desperate not to lose 5-0

    Think other fancy considerations have gone out of the window
    and Malik (along with Sarfraz) helped Pakistan to avoid humiliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pak4life View Post
    Scoring runs in a dead rubber sums up Malik for you. pointless runs but knowing the selectors it will be enough for to cement his place
    The game was important; a 5-0 drubbing would have destroyed whatever confidence they have


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    Quote Originally Posted by proud_pakistani View Post
    If PCB selects him for the next tour it will be a pathetic decision. No point in picking players who only score when there is no pressure.
    Chasing 300.. No pressure??


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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    this is the best 11, which should have been played from 1st ODI... but hafeez was thr, but without hafeez, looking at the squad i will take this 11.. finally the combos are there...
    Im right with my selection...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Chasing 300.. No pressure??
    Yea there is no pressure in a dead rubber. Does not matter what the score is and to be honest on this pitch 300 was just par in the modern game. Secondly, Sarfraz soaked up all the pressure which made it easy for Malik. He should be out of the team regardless of the score today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    shobby is a tough bloke in LOIs... he might get a good game today...
    My instincts are right too..

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    1st time we chased 300+ successfully vs a top side in ODIs in 8 years!!!

    Couldn't have done it without Shobber, but as usual people who pray for his failure are not happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    My instincts are right too..
    good predictions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Zero View Post
    and Malik (along with Sarfraz) helped Pakistan to avoid humiliation.
    Arthur was trying him as a finisher at 5-6.

    Batted at his right position today. #4 suits him and vice versa.

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    Still a useless player..pandra saal main kuch nahin kia..the odd innings here and there to secure his position..dead rubber today..now his silly 12 yr old fans will jump around..

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    LOL Malik finally gives his lobbyists something to lobby for. Nasser Hussain is'nt the first one, there have been so many analysts in last 7-8 years snubbing coaches and captains for picking Shoaib Malik after losses, another statistic for analysts could be drawn here.

    Off course Shoaib Malik is'nt good for Pak cricket future, he will hold a place for more talent to be ignored and then finished. Pakistan will end up with 50 year old Shoaib Malik to replace Shoaib Malik, this is a disaster. BUT Shoaib Malik has political backing and this one innings will now be used to justify his place in the side where it was Sarfaraz who actually did bulk of the work by hitting crucial boundaries and this parasite Malik carried on his back. Shoaib Malik is the seniormost experienced player who was in the team when Sarfaraz was u-19, today Sarfaraz is carrying this seniormost player on his back. Shameful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Zero View Post
    good predictions
    I also said in post#42 ..I would have selected this 11 after Hafeez injured otherwise have to play Hafeez instead of nawaz or rizwan..
    pak are not a no.9 team, they are good but they need to find who to play and were to play them...

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    I am not sure Hafeez part (though he is the most good looking batsmen when in flow), however I agree with your assessment about current 10 out of 11 as I am not so certain about Gul.

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    He's just cemented his place in the squad for next two series with today's innings. Legend

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    Malik played well today but still needs to go.
    Umar akmal really needs to be in this team batting at 3-4.


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    As long as malik can be consistent and score against the "tougher" teams rather than the weaker ones ive no problem him being in the team

    Hopefully hes got a kick up the backside and he ll come to the party more n more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    As long as malik can be consistent and score against the "tougher" teams rather than the weaker ones ive no problem him being in the team

    Hopefully hes got a kick up the backside and he ll come to the party more n more
    Oh dear...he hasn't done this in pandra saal..stopping living in denial..

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    Arthur was trying him as a finisher at 5-6.

    Batted at his right position today. #4 suits him and vice versa.
    In his last three games at 6, Malik entered at the 36th, 14th and 16th over so its not like he was asked to slog from Ball 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    In his last three games at 6, Malik entered at the 36th, 14th and 16th over so its not like he was asked to slog from Ball 1.
    Now now let's not let facts and logic get in the way of our fan boy love for his very rare cover drive.

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    Cardiff is arguably the slowest pitch in the UK.

    Old Trafford however is one of the fastest pitches in the country. If he thinks this pace attack is hard work,wait until he faces Tymal Mills bowling at over 90 mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    In his last three games at 6, Malik entered at the 36th, 14th and 16th over so its not like he was asked to slog from Ball 1.
    coming at whatever over means nothing in this case , as it does not change the fact that when you come at #6, your 4 batsmen are back...and your last batsmen pair is on the crease...
    and in most cases, match is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Zero View Post
    coming at whatever over means nothing in this case , as it does not change the fact that when you come at #6, your 4 batsmen are back...and your last batsmen pair is on the crease...
    and in most cases, match is over.

    or maybe you just want him to Tuk Tuk and score 50 in losing cause?

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    The only match Pakistan has ever won involves Shoaib Malik in big way. Shoaib Malik has been consistent in the last year throughout filling the role of Misbah. Unfortunately his inning may have came in dead rubber but i am glad that finally management gave him right spot before West Indies and hopefully that continues till Champion Trophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Now now let's not let facts and logic get in the way of our fan boy love for his very rare cover drive.
    Whole year he performs gone unnoticed and one series he fails demand his head? You do know he is real deal who has scored triple century against Holding, Ambrose and Walsh at one point? His haters are beyond the hope; gone senile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    In his last three games at 6, Malik entered at the 36th, 14th and 16th over so its not like he was asked to slog from Ball 1.
    He is cursed when it comes down the order. Otherwise why he performed today and last year for the entire year? It is same Malik that scored double century at one down. He is better at the top order, not down the order where the game is already lost and waiting to become punching bag with the excuse of selfish personal milestone. Either way he will be blamed. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

    Today he is used at the right spot, and Pakistan just registered the first win. Shoaib Malik is match winner for a reason.

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    It's 2019 and again the same question should be asked - why pick Shoaib Malik ?

    Since the start of 2015 in ODIs against the top sides (Ind, Eng, NZ, SA, Aus) - he averages 30 at a SR of 80 in 26 matches.

    Yet we are taking this dud against pace to the World Cup.

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    The cycle continues. All the seniors makes sure that they play until they want doesn't matter what happens to the team.

    Seen it with Misbah(ODI) Afridi, younus and now hafeez malik.

    They will make sure they play the WC and then say goodbye to ODIs and we say goodbye to another WC

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    Why not pick Shoaib Malik?

    If you don’t want a fun personality in the team with leadership qualities when your actual captain can’t lead, and a good PR guy to handle press and show a brand of a fighting Pakistan. Not to mention he is fit and can hit guys like Maharaja for sixes whenever he wants.

    Don’t throw away Malik too soon like you threw away Afridi, might regret it later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    It's 2019 and again the same question should be asked - why pick Shoaib Malik ?

    Since the start of 2015 in ODIs against the top sides (Ind, Eng, NZ, SA, Aus) - he averages 30 at a SR of 80 in 26 matches.

    Yet we are taking this dud against pace to the World Cup.
    The only silver lining here is that there's nowhere to hide for him or hafeez. The downside, of course, is that their replacements will fail because they were not given these games to cement their place.

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    Shobby's not great against pace but he cashes in when he can so he does have some utility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Shobby's not great against pace but he cashes in when he can so he does have some utility.
    "when" = sl/bang/windies on flat pitches.

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    Looks like his performance against India in the Asia Cup means nothing to some people.

    The notion that Malik is blocking the path of some brilliant young player(s) is misplaced and bordering on delusion.

    Malik should and will play in the World Cup. It is 100% certain, and people should make peace with it.
    Last edited by MenInG; 11th January 2019 at 11:37.

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    He should be in the WC squad but should only play against India, Srl, and Bangladesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Looks like his performance against India in the Asia Cup means nothing to some people.

    The notion that Malik is blocking the path of some brilliant young player(s) is misplaced and bordering on delusion.

    Malik should and will play in the World Cup. It is 100% certain, and people should make peace with it.
    people should also make peace with it that guy will fail in 8 mafchea out of 9 .

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    We would have lost to afghans had Malik not been there


    New Era of Team Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    people should also make peace with it that guy will fail in 8 mafchea out of 9 .
    That is true for the whole team.

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    Malik has been a decent performer, surprised Pakistani fans here are tearing into him he has been very good compared to others in recent past for Pakistani ODI team..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    The only silver lining here is that there's nowhere to hide for him or hafeez. The downside, of course, is that their replacements will fail because they were not given these games to cement their place.
    The second coming of Malik has been anything other than poor. He has earned his spot and some breathing room. Without bowling, can't say the same for Hafeez.

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    Makes sense for him to say such a thing. We Pakistan cricket followers have been wondering the same thing.

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    Let's see how Malik does in SA. He seems like a selfless individual which is something I like about him, I am impressed by him in his comeback but he still hasn't done anything special against the bigger teams.

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    Who is Nasser Hussain? Let him worry about his England team. We will worry about Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Looks like his performance against India in the Asia Cup means nothing to some people.
    Is that the match where we set a competitive total and won ?


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